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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.stevestreeting.com/2008/01/30/open-source-adoption-countering-the-fear-and-doubt/comment-page-1/#comment-66924</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haha, I just noticed that on the Sourceforge CVS commit emails this week there&#039;s this at the bottom:
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha, I just noticed that on the Sourceforge CVS commit emails this week there&#8217;s this at the bottom:<br />
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This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft<br />
Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008.<br />
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.stevestreeting.com/2008/01/30/open-source-adoption-countering-the-fear-and-doubt/comment-page-1/#comment-66857</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 11:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, WiX is another example. But the key difference is that these are all fairly minor things created internally at Microsoft and &#039;released&#039; into the open source world, seemingly as an experiment. They have a really low profile, and don&#039;t seem to get a lot of attention, certainly compared to the more &#039;traditional&#039; offerings, and don&#039;t appear to be particularly collaborative - it&#039;s still mostly a &#039;push&#039; model. It&#039;s completely different to the sort of embracing of external open source projects that some companies do. They&#039;re accepting that getting people to base their open source projects on Microsoft tech can be a publicity win, but it all pretty much stays at arms length, certainly at a corporate level. I think that&#039;s what puts many open source developers off making .Net based projects. 

Browsable source isn&#039;t the same as open source either. You&#039;ve been able to browse the source code of the MS C++ runtime libraries for years for example, but that doesn&#039;t mean they&#039;re open source. Specifically the license for browsable source in VS2008 is the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.microsoft.com/resources/sharedsource/licensingbasics/referencelicense.mspx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Microsoft Reference License&lt;/a&gt;, which means you have the right to look, but no-one except Microsoft is allowed to change it. That&#039;s not even close to true open source - it basically just means you don&#039;t have to use a decompiler to figure out where a problem might be when the sh*t hits the fan (we&#039;ve all done it I&#039;m sure), but you still have to rely on one supplier to fix issues, and you certainly can&#039;t enhance it for you own purposes, or collaborate with peers to create something that solves a particular issue you share, rather than waiting for the central team to prioritise it. These are some of the main advantages of open source and why it evolves so fast and is responsive to the consumer of the software - just being able to see the code isn&#039;t enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, WiX is another example. But the key difference is that these are all fairly minor things created internally at Microsoft and &#8216;released&#8217; into the open source world, seemingly as an experiment. They have a really low profile, and don&#8217;t seem to get a lot of attention, certainly compared to the more &#8216;traditional&#8217; offerings, and don&#8217;t appear to be particularly collaborative &#8211; it&#8217;s still mostly a &#8216;push&#8217; model. It&#8217;s completely different to the sort of embracing of external open source projects that some companies do. They&#8217;re accepting that getting people to base their open source projects on Microsoft tech can be a publicity win, but it all pretty much stays at arms length, certainly at a corporate level. I think that&#8217;s what puts many open source developers off making .Net based projects. </p>
<p>Browsable source isn&#8217;t the same as open source either. You&#8217;ve been able to browse the source code of the MS C++ runtime libraries for years for example, but that doesn&#8217;t mean they&#8217;re open source. Specifically the license for browsable source in VS2008 is the <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/resources/sharedsource/licensingbasics/referencelicense.mspx" rel="nofollow">Microsoft Reference License</a>, which means you have the right to look, but no-one except Microsoft is allowed to change it. That&#8217;s not even close to true open source &#8211; it basically just means you don&#8217;t have to use a decompiler to figure out where a problem might be when the sh*t hits the fan (we&#8217;ve all done it I&#8217;m sure), but you still have to rely on one supplier to fix issues, and you certainly can&#8217;t enhance it for you own purposes, or collaborate with peers to create something that solves a particular issue you share, rather than waiting for the central team to prioritise it. These are some of the main advantages of open source and why it evolves so fast and is responsive to the consumer of the software &#8211; just being able to see the code isn&#8217;t enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Evans</title>
		<link>http://www.stevestreeting.com/2008/01/30/open-source-adoption-countering-the-fear-and-doubt/comment-page-1/#comment-66842</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 11:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*cite, damn not being able to edit comments!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*cite, damn not being able to edit comments!</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Evans</title>
		<link>http://www.stevestreeting.com/2008/01/30/open-source-adoption-countering-the-fear-and-doubt/comment-page-1/#comment-66841</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 11:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know, MS is taking tentative steps in to open source stuff, and being more open about some things.  I would site &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ironruby.net/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;IronRuby&lt;/a&gt; as an openly supported, open source, recent example of that kind of thinking - that is often blogged about by many MS guys.  

There are also pushes within, like the browsable source thing of the .Net framework itself in VS 2008.  The XNA stuff encourages open source development, codeplex provides sharing facilities.

It&#039;s not as &quot;open&quot; as other things obviously, but to say &quot;MS never supports open source projects openly&quot; is a little harsh.

I&#039;m just a fan of well educated choice rather then blindly trusting any vendor, opensource or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know, MS is taking tentative steps in to open source stuff, and being more open about some things.  I would site <a href="http://www.ironruby.net/" rel="nofollow">IronRuby</a> as an openly supported, open source, recent example of that kind of thinking &#8211; that is often blogged about by many MS guys.  </p>
<p>There are also pushes within, like the browsable source thing of the .Net framework itself in VS 2008.  The XNA stuff encourages open source development, codeplex provides sharing facilities.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not as &#8220;open&#8221; as other things obviously, but to say &#8220;MS never supports open source projects openly&#8221; is a little harsh.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just a fan of well educated choice rather then blindly trusting any vendor, opensource or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 10:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Raven: yeah, I saw that earlier in the week - must win the competition for the most unusual license so far :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Raven: yeah, I saw that earlier in the week &#8211; must win the competition for the most unusual license so far <img src='http://www.stevestreeting.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Raven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 03:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry,  link didn&#039;t work :(
http://www.regdeveloper.co.uk/2008/01/26/exttld_license/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry,  link didn&#8217;t work <img src='http://www.stevestreeting.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
<a href="http://www.regdeveloper.co.uk/2008/01/26/exttld_license/" rel="nofollow">http://www.regdeveloper.co.uk/2008/01/26/exttld_license/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Raven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 03:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you are a vegan, you now can use software under a license with a 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.regdeveloper.co.uk/2008/01/26/exttld_license/&quot; title=&quot;difference&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you are a vegan, you now can use software under a license with a<br />
<a href="http://www.regdeveloper.co.uk/2008/01/26/exttld_license/" title="difference" rel="nofollow"></a></p>
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		<title>By: The pragmatic .NET developer &#187; DamienG</title>
		<link>http://www.stevestreeting.com/2008/01/30/open-source-adoption-countering-the-fear-and-doubt/comment-page-1/#comment-66730</link>
		<dc:creator>The pragmatic .NET developer &#187; DamienG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 00:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] genius behind the open-source Ogre3D engine Steve Streeting has written an interesting piece on Open source adoption; countering the fear and doubt. I have no doubt that this was fuelled by a lengthy discussion last night in the Ship &amp; Crown [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] genius behind the open-source Ogre3D engine Steve Streeting has written an interesting piece on Open source adoption; countering the fear and doubt. I have no doubt that this was fuelled by a lengthy discussion last night in the Ship &#38; Crown [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.stevestreeting.com/2008/01/30/open-source-adoption-countering-the-fear-and-doubt/comment-page-1/#comment-66715</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 22:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always try to be rational about these things, people who rant about free software being the &#039;one true way&#039; are as bigoted as Gates and his communism speech. There are no absolutes anywhere in life, and if you think there are then you&#039;re a fanatic. Luckily &#039;Open Source&#039; has been associated with more professional attitudes than the preachings of the &#039;Free Software&#039; brigade. Stallman distanced himself from the term &#039;Open Source&#039;, and in my view that did the &#039;Open Source&#039; crowd a hell of a lot of good, in establishing that Open Source isn&#039;t about utopian evagelism. Stallman did some great work, he was a pioneer, but it&#039;s time for him to be quiet now and let the rest of the world find its own, practical, more moderate path.

More and more businesses are &#039;getting&#039; open source now, probably as more and more &#039;commercial&#039; open source companies get attention, float on the stock exchanges, get acquired etc. I think they&#039;re realising that Open Source operates in much the same way as regular business, it&#039;s just that the communities that always surrounded these products now get to be more proactive in its development, instead of it being managed in an ivory tower.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always try to be rational about these things, people who rant about free software being the &#8216;one true way&#8217; are as bigoted as Gates and his communism speech. There are no absolutes anywhere in life, and if you think there are then you&#8217;re a fanatic. Luckily &#8216;Open Source&#8217; has been associated with more professional attitudes than the preachings of the &#8216;Free Software&#8217; brigade. Stallman distanced himself from the term &#8216;Open Source&#8217;, and in my view that did the &#8216;Open Source&#8217; crowd a hell of a lot of good, in establishing that Open Source isn&#8217;t about utopian evagelism. Stallman did some great work, he was a pioneer, but it&#8217;s time for him to be quiet now and let the rest of the world find its own, practical, more moderate path.</p>
<p>More and more businesses are &#8216;getting&#8217; open source now, probably as more and more &#8216;commercial&#8217; open source companies get attention, float on the stock exchanges, get acquired etc. I think they&#8217;re realising that Open Source operates in much the same way as regular business, it&#8217;s just that the communities that always surrounded these products now get to be more proactive in its development, instead of it being managed in an ivory tower.</p>
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		<title>By: Frenetic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frenetic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 22:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh! I&#039;ve never actually seen much of your OSS-advocating side, Steve, and this post is a good example of why: Your post doesn&#039;t cover a lot about the &quot;mindset&quot; side of things, the &quot;reflex&quot; reponses and emotional reactions. Instead, you seem to focus on specific practical issues in this post. This is a good thing; I appreciate that kind of pragmatism. Over here in North America at least, I don&#039;t see a lot of it. ;)

Anyways, here are some thoughts I had on the &quot;mindset&quot; that might be a barrier to open-source adoption:

Firstly, the ideological side of open source is very prominent (thanks to a certain Mr Stallman, among others) which constantly shifts the focus away from the practical and economic elements of the open source movement, as well as making the culture of open source seem more polarized than it really is. (&quot;Microsoft is eeevil!&quot;)

The Business world, OTOH, is naturally turned off by a lot of that. Also, in addition to some of the other factors you mentioned, many people in business tend to quickly develop ruts; routines are beneficial, and indeed they are necessary in order for organizations to be able to scale their output beyond a case-by-case treatment of customers. The business world also has its share of ideologues as well. (&quot;Damn hippies!&quot;)

But the main issue I am aware of is that most of the people running businesses, even when aware of the benefits of open source, don&#039;t understand the culture and economics that allows the open source world to function. So they don&#039;t trust it because they don&#039;t understand how the whole thing works, or what keeps it viable.

The culture and economics I am talking about, of course, is that of the Internet, that magical &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Series_of_tubes&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;series of tubes&lt;/a&gt;&quot;. Indeed, the resistance to this new &quot;open source&quot; software development stems from the greater issues surrounding copyright, patents, culture, and the economy, in the Internet age.

This socioeconomic divide, I think, is part of what is so difficult in making people see the &quot;other side&quot; of software.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh! I&#8217;ve never actually seen much of your OSS-advocating side, Steve, and this post is a good example of why: Your post doesn&#8217;t cover a lot about the &#8220;mindset&#8221; side of things, the &#8220;reflex&#8221; reponses and emotional reactions. Instead, you seem to focus on specific practical issues in this post. This is a good thing; I appreciate that kind of pragmatism. Over here in North America at least, I don&#8217;t see a lot of it. <img src='http://www.stevestreeting.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Anyways, here are some thoughts I had on the &#8220;mindset&#8221; that might be a barrier to open-source adoption:</p>
<p>Firstly, the ideological side of open source is very prominent (thanks to a certain Mr Stallman, among others) which constantly shifts the focus away from the practical and economic elements of the open source movement, as well as making the culture of open source seem more polarized than it really is. (&#8220;Microsoft is eeevil!&#8221;)</p>
<p>The Business world, OTOH, is naturally turned off by a lot of that. Also, in addition to some of the other factors you mentioned, many people in business tend to quickly develop ruts; routines are beneficial, and indeed they are necessary in order for organizations to be able to scale their output beyond a case-by-case treatment of customers. The business world also has its share of ideologues as well. (&#8220;Damn hippies!&#8221;)</p>
<p>But the main issue I am aware of is that most of the people running businesses, even when aware of the benefits of open source, don&#8217;t understand the culture and economics that allows the open source world to function. So they don&#8217;t trust it because they don&#8217;t understand how the whole thing works, or what keeps it viable.</p>
<p>The culture and economics I am talking about, of course, is that of the Internet, that magical &#8220;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Series_of_tubes" rel="nofollow">series of tubes</a>&#8220;. Indeed, the resistance to this new &#8220;open source&#8221; software development stems from the greater issues surrounding copyright, patents, culture, and the economy, in the Internet age.</p>
<p>This socioeconomic divide, I think, is part of what is so difficult in making people see the &#8220;other side&#8221; of software.</p>
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